I’d like to thank Gordon Castle for recently responding to my post of the 11th July and address each of his points in turn. You will find the original post and Gordon’s comments below this post.
Gordon states I should declare an interest. At the start of this blog post I state exactly why I am interested and where I live – I am not sure how much more open I can be. My address details are also on the contact page. Having said that, I’m not sure how I personally have an interest in this just because I live on the road where the trial took place. After all, the road now has a 20mph limit and there is no plan to change it back. My interest is in other roads! Gordon lives on a road adjacent to Swansfield Park Road that currently has a 30mph speed-limit – does this mean he hasn’t declared an interest?
It is also suggested I am unwise to speak publicly on this issue and that I am attacking a fellow councillor. I find the word attack a bit strong. I only mention that I am disappointed in Gordon’s response. Gordon made the statements that I’ve quoted in a public meeting with the press in attendance – is he suggesting that I am unwise to disagree with him in public? I feel it would be unwise of me not to be open with the public about my views even if they are different from a fellow councillor.
So to the crux of the issue. The trial results were not taken over a year. Speeds were recorded before the 20mph limit was introduced, in February 2010. The speed-limit was introduced in April 2010 and then speeds were recorded in October 2010. Before the trial, westbound mean speeds were 23.3mph and after they were 23.5mph. Eastbound mean speeds were 22.5mph before the trial and 22.3mph after the trial. So speeds didn’t increase or decrease significantly. However, in my view, 23-24mph as an average speed on a road with three schools, is much better than 30mph. As the decision to use Swansfield Park Road as a trial site for a 20mph speed-limit was taken in October 2009 and this information was available to the public, could some self-regulation on speed have taken place before the first trial speeds were ever calculated? I agree that enforcement and traffic calming measures could reduce speeds further but am realistic that this is costly and sometimes unpopular. That doesn’t mean that 20mph speed-limits on their own have no impact in reducing speeds, even if 20mph is not adhered to. Perhaps even 25mph is a good compromise!
I mentioned that changes in speed-limit can take time to bed in. If you use a road infrequently but have used it for years, it is easy to miss a change, even with sign-posting. Certainly, people have told me that it is hard to read the signs turning into the bottom of Swansfield Park Road, if coming from the east. I don’t think it is “ludicrous” to suggest that some drivers may have missed the change on the road in a six month period – after all they may realise their mistake part way along, so reduce their speed but already have their initial speed recorded.
Reports on the speed trials in Northumberland are linked from the agenda of the 11th July 2011 meeting of the North Area Committee. If you want to have a look at these, see the Northumberland County Council website.
A majority of the residents who responded to a survey didn’t feel speeds had reduced significantly. However, this was only 26 of the 70 houses on Swansfield Park Road. Comments from the residents who did respond include requests for enforcement, traffic-calming and speed-cameras, so there was still support for the 20mph speed-limit among many who hadn’t seen a significant speed reduction.
Nowhere have I said that 20mph should be the default speed-limit. I have looked into this issue because many residents are concerned about the speeds driven on their streets and have told me they would welcome 20mph speed-limits on their roads to aid speed reduction. Gordon says he doesn’t like the slogan ’20′s plenty’. It is much more than a slogan. 20′s Plenty For Us is a campaigning organisation working to support those who want to reduce speed-limits. Their website provides information, research, networks and advice to those wanting more 20mph speed-limits. The facts speak for themselves;
- More than half of road deaths and serious injuries occur on roads with 30 mph limits (Transport Statistics for Great Britain).
- 80% of the public and 75% of drivers support 20 mph as a speed limit on residential streets. (PACTS)
I agree that tax-payers’ money shouldn’t be wasted on schemes that have no impact. But there is evidence that 20mph schemes can reduce driving speeds and accident numbers and so we shouldn’t just dismiss the idea. Instead we could be asking local residents what they think is needed on their own streets and let them decide whether it is worth the money. |
The comment I made about supporting drivers who find it difficult to drive at 20mph was tongue-in-cheek. It refers to the view Gordon expressed to me at the meeting that 20mph driving could cause accidents if drivers are regularly looking at their speedometer to check their speed. If that is the case, then perhaps those drivers shouldn’t be on the road. As for being a member of the Institute of Advanced Motorists, I am confident that 20 years of accident free driving means I am safe on the road and that 20mph driving is not an advanced skill.
20′s Plenty part 2
I’d like to thank Gordon Castle for recently responding to my post of the 11th July and address each of his points in turn. You will find the original post and Gordon’s comments below this post.
Gordon states I should declare an interest. At the start of this blog post I state exactly why I am interested and where I live – I am not sure how much more open I can be. My address details are also on the contact page. Having said that, I’m not sure how I personally have an interest in this just because I live on the road where the trial took place. After all, the road now has a 20mph limit and there is no plan to change it back. My interest is in other roads! Gordon lives on a road adjacent to Swansfield Park Road that currently has a 30mph speed-limit – does this mean he hasn’t declared an interest?
It is also suggested I am unwise to speak publicly on this issue and that I am attacking a fellow councillor. I find the word attack a bit strong. I only mention that I am disappointed in Gordon’s response. Gordon made the statements that I’ve quoted in a public meeting with the press in attendance – is he suggesting that I am unwise to disagree with him in public? I feel it would be unwise of me not to be open with the public about my views even if they are different from a fellow councillor.
So to the crux of the issue. The trial results were not taken over a year. Speeds were recorded before the 20mph limit was introduced, in February 2010. The speed-limit was introduced in April 2010 and then speeds were recorded in October 2010. Before the trial, westbound mean speeds were 23.3mph and after they were 23.5mph. Eastbound mean speeds were 22.5mph before the trial and 22.3mph after the trial. So speeds didn’t increase or decrease significantly. However, in my view, 23-24mph as an average speed on a road with three schools, is much better than 30mph. As the decision to use Swansfield Park Road as a trial site for a 20mph speed-limit was taken in October 2009 and this information was available to the public, could some self-regulation on speed have taken place before the first trial speeds were ever calculated? I agree that enforcement and traffic calming measures could reduce speeds further but am realistic that this is costly and sometimes unpopular. That doesn’t mean that 20mph speed-limits on their own have no impact in reducing speeds, even if 20mph is not adhered to. Perhaps even 25mph is a good compromise!
I mentioned that changes in speed-limit can take time to bed in. If you use a road infrequently but have used it for years, it is easy to miss a change, even with sign-posting. Certainly, people have told me that it is hard to read the signs turning into the bottom of Swansfield Park Road, if coming from the east. I don’t think it is “ludicrous” to suggest that some drivers may have missed the change on the road in a six month period – after all they may realise their mistake part way along, so reduce their speed but already have their initial speed recorded.
Reports on the speed trials in Northumberland are linked from the agenda of the 11th July 2011 meeting of the North Area Committee. If you want to have a look at these, see the Northumberland County Council website.
A majority of the residents who responded to a survey didn’t feel speeds had reduced significantly. However, this was only 26 of the 70 houses on Swansfield Park Road. Comments from the residents who did respond include requests for enforcement, traffic-calming and speed-cameras, so there was still support for the 20mph speed-limit among many who hadn’t seen a significant speed reduction.
Nowhere have I said that 20mph should be the default speed-limit. I have looked into this issue because many residents are concerned about the speeds driven on their streets and have told me they would welcome 20mph speed-limits on their roads to aid speed reduction. Gordon says he doesn’t like the slogan ’20′s plenty’. It is much more than a slogan. 20′s Plenty For Us is a campaigning organisation working to support those who want to reduce speed-limits. Their website provides information, research, networks and advice to those wanting more 20mph speed-limits. The facts speak for themselves;
I agree that tax-payers’ money shouldn’t be wasted on schemes that have no impact. But there is evidence that 20mph schemes can reduce driving speeds and accident numbers and so we shouldn’t just dismiss the idea. Instead we could be asking local residents what they think is needed on their own streets and let them decide whether it is worth the money.
The comment I made about supporting drivers who find it difficult to drive at 20mph was tongue-in-cheek. It refers to the view Gordon expressed to me at the meeting that 20mph driving could cause accidents if drivers are regularly looking at their speedometer to check their speed. If that is the case, then perhaps those drivers shouldn’t be on the road. As for being a member of the Institute of Advanced Motorists, I am confident that 20 years of accident free driving means I am safe on the road and that 20mph driving is not an advanced skill.
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